Patient and Kind. Those two words motivate Lisa Williams in her personal life and on the air in her podcast, Life with Lisa Williams.

You may recognize Lisa’s voice from her years on the nationally broadcast KLOVE morning show. These days she’s teamed up with Cure International to continue to spread kindness through her faithful tribe and those who are continually being drawn into her message.

As Lisa and I explore in Episode 22 of The Kindness Podcast, sometimes extending kindness doesn’t mean giving something, it means withholding something.